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  Jehovah / Yahweh is responsible for mankinds inhumanity to man & beast

  by smiddy in

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  if you beleive the bible account in genesis when cain killed abel, why didn`t jehovah/yahweh kill cain right then and their.?

  " an eye for an eye"!!.

  apparently cain had no remorse for killing his brother and was only concerned that someone would come after him to avenge abels death,so what does the almighty god jehovah do ?

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  Concerned JW

  If God should just kill us instantly for our mistakes then that makes no allowance for learning from them. Then we truly are a lost cause.
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  A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

  by InterestedOne in

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  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

  mistakes will happen.

  concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

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  Concerned JW

  False expectations of perfection are unrealistic. Name one scripture that says Jehovah's people will be marked by following God's word without mistakes? I am not trying to justify mistakes but showing that you have to realistic and biblical about what Jehovah's congregation is meant to achieve at this time!

  It is not us trying to excuse mistakes but those that use mistakes as an excuse to leave.
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  The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - Matt 5:5 anyone?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on another thread concernedjw used an interesting quote from jesus at matt 5:5 'the meek shall inherit the earth.

  ' fair comment i'd say.

  but jesus didn't say 'paradise' earth.. now i know some of you don't believe in the bible (which i respect), and i'm not after a debate.. what i'm interested to hear is how you would refyte that jesus was not talking about a jw 'paradise earth'.

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  Concerned JW

  What is your point punkofnice? Revelations talk of many types of multitudes including heavenly spirit people. Sometimes it is explicit which group they are but sometimes you have to work it out from the prophecies context. Prophecy is always a difficult medium since it's probably only after they have all been fulfilled that we will be saying "Arhhh yes that makes sense now!"! You have your own thoughts on 19:1?
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  The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - Matt 5:5 anyone?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on another thread concernedjw used an interesting quote from jesus at matt 5:5 'the meek shall inherit the earth.

  ' fair comment i'd say.

  but jesus didn't say 'paradise' earth.. now i know some of you don't believe in the bible (which i respect), and i'm not after a debate.. what i'm interested to hear is how you would refyte that jesus was not talking about a jw 'paradise earth'.

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  Concerned JW

  Your wts are out of date punkofnice "the meek" are now seen as those that will be on the earth. They have been refined on that one.
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  Feeling a bit alienated

  by factfinder in

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  i notice mostly everyone at jwn was a "born-in".

  i actually chose to become a witness.

  i was born and raised jewish but by the time i was 15 i had lost interest in judaism and stopped practicing it.

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  Concerned JW

  factfinder is it the bible Jehovah's word or our leaders that tells us not to fornicate, commit adultery, lie, steal or murder among many more things? Having those in charge is about administration of bible truth's and principles and having a working structure we can grow within. Jesus said he would help when more than two were gathered together in his name. We are told to be in agreement. I am sure not all Jewish-born Christians agreed with the decision that gentiles didn't need to be circumcised but they had to accept that decision by the shepherds for the greater good of the congregation. Our shepherds work hard for us we might not like their decisions or conclusions on prophecy but they ask for Jehovah's guidance and accept they won't get everything right. We are a work in progress and that includes our shepherds too. Like I said I prefer shepherds that do their job rather than ones that just enjoyed the perks that other religions are lumbered with.
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  The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - Matt 5:5 anyone?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on another thread concernedjw used an interesting quote from jesus at matt 5:5 'the meek shall inherit the earth.

  ' fair comment i'd say.

  but jesus didn't say 'paradise' earth.. now i know some of you don't believe in the bible (which i respect), and i'm not after a debate.. what i'm interested to hear is how you would refyte that jesus was not talking about a jw 'paradise earth'.

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  Concerned JW

  The hebrew word used to translate "earth/land " appears in the hebrew scriptures nearly 2500 times. "'Erets". Like most hebrew words it has multiple means but it's first and formost meaning is as a reference to the whole "earth". Context like with our own languages drives the meaning. If I said "I have a board of wood" or "I am a member of the board" same word different meanings the sentence context shows us which.

  psalm 37:29 is a themed scripture of many that David uses that talk of inheriting the earth, possessing it and as such the most correct understanding of "'erets" would be "earth" in that context. Jesus was refering to David words on this common theme.

  It is dishonest to translate a word to a different meaning without taking into account the context.
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  Feeling a bit alienated

  by factfinder in

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  i notice mostly everyone at jwn was a "born-in".

  i actually chose to become a witness.

  i was born and raised jewish but by the time i was 15 i had lost interest in judaism and stopped practicing it.

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  Concerned JW

  Something I notice when I read the bible is how human people are. Even those that Jehovah picks look at David all those wives and still he wants anpther man's wife. Moses a true friend of Jehovah's but he let the power goto his head eventually. The Apostles arguing over who was the greatest among themselves, Jonah running away from the chance to do ministry, Paul having arguments with Barnabas about another brother.

  I am always saddenned when despite the bible showing us that mistakes will happen we put our other brothers and the organisation on impossibly high pedestals and then stumble when they naturally fall. What makes us Jehovah's people is that we follow Jehovah!
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  The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - Matt 5:5 anyone?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on another thread concernedjw used an interesting quote from jesus at matt 5:5 'the meek shall inherit the earth.

  ' fair comment i'd say.

  but jesus didn't say 'paradise' earth.. now i know some of you don't believe in the bible (which i respect), and i'm not after a debate.. what i'm interested to hear is how you would refyte that jesus was not talking about a jw 'paradise earth'.

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  Concerned JW

  I'm sorry I should have been clearer. As stated previously paradise/pardis in the bible refers to many specific promises given to mankind from adam onwards regarding the earth as being our inheritance/given to us psalm 115:16 and a restored Pardes/garden/Eden/paradise being promised through various prophets Ezek chapter 34. One non-negotiable fact is the earth has been established permanently psalm 104:5 earth established "to time indefinite even forever" and God will bring to ruin those "ruining the earth".

  We then goto the Prophecies in Revelation 21:1-4 we get the promise of a new heaven and earth and the doing away in verse 4 of death, pain, mourning. so these things happen when we get the "new earth". Jesus in Matt 6:10 is showing the fact God's will is to happen on both heaven and earth and we must pray for this to happen on the earth.

  ("new earth" doesn't mean a literal new earth for many reasons but 2 peter 3 is the clearest way of showing why. Verse 6 talks about an ancient world/earth being destroyed in a deluge flood and verse 7 "by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and being reserved to the day of judgement and of the destruction of ungodly men" Noah's flood is the direct example used and despite many wicked people dying, the Earth itself wasn't destroyed and so this shows it won't be again. It clarifies that it is the ungodly that are destroyed.)

  The main point is what is Jehovah's stated will for the earth in the bible?

  psalm 37:29 "The righteous themselves shall possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."
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  religion only to do with belief?

  by Curtains in

  1. jw
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  as jehovahs witnesses we were taught that the truth (belief) unifies every aspect of our lives and is of paramount importance.

  are other like religions like this also?

  do they emphasize belief to the same extent?.

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  Concerned JW

  For me the ministry is hard but much needed work. I am always wary of letting myself feel too self-justified simply by the action of being on the ministry. I would then be focussing too much on the act and not enough on the people that need searching out. It is a life-saving work for those who listen to God's word and so I fall into following paul's thought "woe is me" if I didn't do it.

  Yes verse 11 is interesting. People thought they were drinking to much wine basically but what happens to someone when they start drinking? Usually they get excited, red-faced, full-on, Their speech increases in volume and they speak loads. The scripture isn't saying they are falling down drunk and thats the point. We know from the earlier scripture people could understand them and in their own language too. This does clarify the effect of the spirit not to stupify their words but to make them more verbal and excited.

  You do something different to me when you examine scripture. You seem to have lists for each hypothesis and put scriptures that seemingly fit in each list and then decide which one is more worthy from that.

  For me though You have to look at what are the definite points on a subject that define it and fit the rest harmoniously around them. Rather than scoring points under different hypothesis.

  The scripture say "tongues cease" that is non-negotiable! The question is only when? The relevence of Paul saying "remains" show it is before perfection and that he felt we needed know they cease also supports this. The relevence of the gifts not showing up throughout the centuries since then really puts the lid on it.
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  The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - Matt 5:5 anyone?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on another thread concernedjw used an interesting quote from jesus at matt 5:5 'the meek shall inherit the earth.

  ' fair comment i'd say.

  but jesus didn't say 'paradise' earth.. now i know some of you don't believe in the bible (which i respect), and i'm not after a debate.. what i'm interested to hear is how you would refyte that jesus was not talking about a jw 'paradise earth'.

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  Concerned JW

  Paradise is a descriptive term and yes it does appear in the bible other than those three places in greek scriptures if you go back to original languages and etymology.

  Pardes ( a persian word) meaning "garden", is used in the septuagint OT 30 times and when used refered to the Garden of Eden and the conditions in the garden. Exek 28:13 36:35 talks about Eden being restored.

  Adam and eve were expelled from pardes/paradise/garden/Eden

  The word paradise that we use is derived from Pardes

  Paradise also denotes paradise conditions literally Edenic conditions promised.

  Heaven has already been been restored how do we know this?

  Matt 6:10 your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

  Rev 21 :3-4 promises an end to death, pain illness